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well the scientific method teaches us

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that we first make some experimental

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observations and then we tell others

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about it and it's then important that

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other people repeat what we have done to

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verify the validity of the observations

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and I'd like to say that I'm fortunate

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to have a loose collaboration with dr.

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Joshua Lieberman at the University of

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Maryland School of Medicine and for

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several years we've been exchanging some

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data and I'd like to say that the

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phenomena that I'm going to talk about

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have been replicated in dr. Lieberman's

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laboratory and he finds the same kinds

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of things that I find so with that I'd

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like to proceed to describe what we've

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okay viral fields and bioenergy

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bioenergy fields have been asserted to

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exist for thousands of years and the

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basis of many activities today with

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energy healing and so on

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however scientific scientists effects to

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attempts to actually detect and measure

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these battlefields have generally failed

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at least to the extent that bio fields

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are not accepted in the mainstream

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science this creates a problem because

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anything that you can't detect and

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measure cannot be subjected to

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scientific study I would say that the

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all the attempts that I'm aware of to

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detect bio energy fields they are pretty

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much universally photon detectors of one

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form or another but suppose by our

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energy fields don't actually consist of

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photons then these detectors would be

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useless so in this work the proposition

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is that bio fields did not actually

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consist of photons but instead consist

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of some form of energy that actually

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exists the physical force of some kind

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that is it can push against the physical

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object to alter its momentum if you're

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going to detect a force like this it's

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presumably it's going to be a small

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force so we would need to have a

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detection and measuring device that's

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quite sensitive for this work where

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you're using torsion pendulum torsion

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pendulum another term for torsion

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pendulum is a torsion balance because it

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can be used to measure forces with

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exquisite accuracy now these types of

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balances have a long history in

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experimentation one of the most famous

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uses is Henry Cavendish who used a

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torsion pendulum to determine the

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gravitational constant and even though

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he did this hundreds of years ago

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the value he came up with is within a

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few percentage points of what's known

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today this is a cartoon of the set up

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I'd like to say that it it's it's an

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utterly simple set up that pendulum is

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is as simple as you can possibly imagine

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here is a subject seeing it under the

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pendulum the pendulum Excel itself

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consists of a of a hemispherical energy

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of receptor I'll show a picture of it in

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a moment and this is suspended from a

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support beam by a very short length of

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nylon monofilament most of the

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experiments it's about one point seven

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centimeters long and the filaments about

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point 0.7 millimeters diameter it's a

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it's a standard monofilament fishing

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line the motions of the pendulum are

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recorded by a video camera and you know

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what to emphasize that when we're

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talking about a portion pendulum it's a

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twisting motion

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you know twisting to the right on the

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left it's not a swinging motion back and

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forth but twisting back and forth so the

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video camera is observing these motions

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here is a picture of the hemispherical

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energy collector it's actually something

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I picked up at the hardware store it's a

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food gutter that's intended purposes to

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put over a plate of sandwiches and a

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picnic table to keep bugs off we're

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talking low-tech here that cost about

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five dollars and and the dialogue

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filament a fraction of a cent now to

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detect the motion of the pendulum I have

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attached the target and it's a it's a

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piece of black paper with a one

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centimeter white dot placed on it so as

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the as the pendulum moves this white dot

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swings to the right and to the left and

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the video camera is recording these

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motions this is a screenshot of an

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experiment that's actually in progress

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this is a

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baseline experiment there's no subject

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sitting under it and it's it's captured

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the the white dot at this particular

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position you may be able to distinguish

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a red circle in the Met in the center

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the computer program computes the

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position of the very center of the dot

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and draws a little red circle around it

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so you can convince yourself that it's

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actually looking at the center of the

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dot and as this goes back and forth its

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motions are recorded on this chart in

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which as it goes upward we're getting a

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clockwise direction of motion is because

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it's going downward we're getting a

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counterclockwise direction of motion now

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this video screen is is something that I

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brew teen Lee during an experiment the

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the subject will look at it so that just

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so you know that that's what's what's

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being done now this is a very simple

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pendulum device does it behave in a

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classical fashion this shows that it

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behaves too near perfection as a classic

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pendulum now this is oscillating back

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and forth in the air so there's a

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substantial damping coefficient so if

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you set the pendulum in motion with the

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puff of air it fairly quickly dams down

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that takes about five or six minutes to

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damp extensively now if you look closely

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you'll see that there are two curves

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there's a data curve this program is

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collecting data at ten points per second

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so we get a very high resolution of the

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position of the white dot as it moves

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back and forth so these are the data

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points and this is the theoretical curve

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plotted according to the classic

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equation for a damn simple heart simple

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harmonic harmonic oscillator and you can

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see that the data curve in the

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theoretical curve overlap to a very

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pleasing extent now the we makes

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extensive use of Fourier analysis

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because it turns out that the the

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frequencies of the oscillation of the

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pendulum are very important so we use

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fast Fourier transform analysis to

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determine the frequency of the pendulum

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should have a single frequency which it

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does and the pendulum is 0.03 4 Hertz

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which has a period of about 30 seconds

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and so this is pretty much the pendulum

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that we use I said that it it's a

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torsion balance we can calibrate the

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torsion constant of the nylon filament

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pendulum and observing the effects of of

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the of the frequency of oscillation the

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slope of this curve gives the the

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torsion constant which is 2249

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centimeters per Radian using appropriate

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conversion factors you can you can

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interpret this as is meaning that it

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takes about four point six milligrams

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the equivalent force to rotate the

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pendulum by one degree so any force any

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of that so here is the an experiment now

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I have to say that as I've been doing

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these experiments I I'm continually

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astonished and amazed at the effects

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this I have to walk through this to kind

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of explain what this is this is subject

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sig three those are the periods of time

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that the subject is actually seated

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under the pendulum so we begin right

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here at the beginning and that's the

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pendulum is set in motion by a little

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puff of air and then I let it damp down

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and then when it gets fairly damp down

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the subject very carefully is seen you

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seated under the pendulum and then we

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collect the data these are the motions

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of the pendulum back and forth and then

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at the end of the segment the subject

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leaves and you see that it immediately

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tracks back toward the center line so

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this is what I call the the center of

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oscillation of the the natural center of

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oscillation is this black line across

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here and then after a period of time

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minutes or 20 minutes various periods of

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time and maybe eight minutes in between

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before the subject is seated again and

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then here the subject leaves again and

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it rapidly goes back toward the center

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line subject to seated again and we see

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this so one of the most amazing things

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to me about these results is that when

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the subject is seated under the pendulum

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the pendulum actually starts oscillating

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around a completely different center of

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oscillation I mean this is like if

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you're watching a a pendulum clock like

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this and that's the center of

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oscillation all of a sudden it's going

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like that it's quite astonishing and

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it's not a small effect you know the you

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might think well this is a very small

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effect and it's highly magnified but

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it's not small because we have a torsion

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balance here

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here's a period of time in which this

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of this range here and it would take a

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force that's equivalent to 34 milligrams

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to displace the pendulum by that amount

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so and the actual position of the

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displacement is 2.2 centimeters which is

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equivalent to seven point three degrees

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these are snot not small values you know

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we don't need statistics to provide

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convincing evidence that this is a real

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effect this is segment two and just

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blowing this up so that you can really

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see the oscillations in more detail and

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you can see that the here the center of

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oscillation it's it's simply oscillating

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way off to the side now here is the

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Fourier analysis of segment two when the

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subject is seated under the pendulum you

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see that this is this is the frequency

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of the natural period of the pendulum

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and we see really dozens of new

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frequencies that are are introduced by

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now whereas each of these frequencies is

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simply detected during the period of

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time that the subject is under the

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pendulum using a feature of Fourier

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analysis you can do a bandpass and

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select out a particular frequency range

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and look at the dynamics of that

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frequency range throughout the

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experiment so this is the data curve

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that I had that we had in this earlier

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the last slide showing the Fourier a

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picture of all the frequencies and so

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I've identified various of these

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frequency

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and done a bandpass on those Peaks and

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piqué here you can see that the

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frequency here is not a constant

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intensity or amplitude it sort of has a

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beat to it it you can see it change and

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peak V does the same thing but with the

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different beat frequency and C has many

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beats in it and D very different and

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this is kind of interesting

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e is the actual natural frequency of the

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pendulum and it that isn't constant it's

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as if all of these other frequencies are

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actually overriding the natural tendency

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of the pendulum to oscillate at a

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particular frequency this is the

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frequency pattern of of the three

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segments so this is the same subject see

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these under the pendulum you know four

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segments one in segment two in segment

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three and you can see the frequency

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analysis is of each of those segments on

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the one hand one sees similarities but

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they're not identical by any means so

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that it shows that the effects are

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exerted on the pendulum by the subject

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the frequencies are in kind of a dynamic

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state and the actual effect on the

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pendulum is a consequence of all of

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these D frequencies undergoing

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constructive addition and and

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destruction so that accounts for the the

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constant flux of the appearance of the

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pendulum now without going back to that

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early the complete experiment one thing

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that is very striking is that when the

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subject left the pendulum after the

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third experiment there was a lot of

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activity or the pendulum after the

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well one of the principles that the

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physics of a pendulum is that if the

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pendulum is allowed to oscillate freely

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and then you disturb it with some

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outside influence then the pendulum will

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incorporate that and behave accordingly

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if you take that influence away how long

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is it before the pendulum recovers you

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can see that it takes quite a long time

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for the pendulum to recover this is this

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is the natural recovery of the pendulum

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and this is what what happens with well

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these these effects are retained for a

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this is the frequency pattern after the

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subject departs and you can see that the

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frequencies are not lost so the the

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frequency remains and this is taking out

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that large frequency in the and you can

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see that many other frequencies remain

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this is a subject to similar kinds of

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things happen this is a subject 3 so

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it's not unique to a particular subject

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this is a fourth subject in which all of

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these features are seen I won't don't

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have time to go through the details this

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is the subject frequencies when the

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present this is after the subject is

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left this is a control experiment which

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I won't go through alternate materials

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this is a Coco fiber transducer it has

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similar effects and so conclusions an

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energy field exists outside the human

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body that can be detected in quantity

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and quantified by its effects on these

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oscillations of a pendulum in order to

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displace the pendulum in this way it

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would seem that it would require some

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kind of spiral vortex in order to do

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this contains many frequency components

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the effects on the pendulum persist for

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30 to 60 minutes after the subject has

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left the pendulum and it occurs with

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pendulums constructed of either steel

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mesh or completely organic fiber some

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hypotheses I think we don't have time

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thank you very much

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that's extremely interesting and I

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thank you I found that to be extremely

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valuable experimentation and opens up to

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object to verification this whole idea

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about energy fields around the body I

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think it has great possibilities for

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diagnosis in medicine I agree and I

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again from what you presented that you

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haven't used this kind of thing with

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different patients well I don't have

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access to patients I have access to

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volunteer subjects which have been

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mainly friends and colleagues and I run

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into somebody one of them was one of my

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neighbors but about 20 subjects none of

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whom have any any pathological problems

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disease states

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you know just normal subjects but they

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the patterns that we see are basically

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universal every subject shows these

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effects in various ways and in various

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degrees I'm quite intrigued with the

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displacement of the center of

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oscillation it's incredible yes

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and I would hypothesize that a depending

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upon the diagnosis I'm a physician so I

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can say these words many upon the

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diagnosis that you would get a variation

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in that well there is variation I mean

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with the same person the variations in

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the displacement are considerable all

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the ones I showed the displacement is

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always in the as was always in the

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clockwise direction but it's displaced

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in the counterclockwise direction also

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by the same person at different times

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and it's it's hard to understand why yes

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perhaps you can talk together later we

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do need to be fish

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so really an elegant experiment although

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it reminds me a little of the Russian

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torsion fields but cause II Rev and

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others have worked on others have

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commented on that I wonder if there's

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something there question you may have

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mentioned this in your presentation how

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did you make sure that you weren't

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getting electrostatic fields producing

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some of these offset effects well I I

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don't see any reason why they would be

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there I mean the electrostatic fields I

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think would be more likely with the

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steel mesh detector but the Coco fiber

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detector which is totally organic

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I showed very similar effects well I

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didn't really deal with that and I'm

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delighted by the simplicity of your

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system and the elegance of your analysis

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it looks like you have something that

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you can now test subjects in different

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states different brain States healers

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are you doing that a little bit it's

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I've had one of the subjects subject one

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in fact is rather experienced in you

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know interest in martial arts and either

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medical practices and yeah but what it's

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worth he has the strongest effects of

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anyone but the third experiment the the

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you didn't really have a long enough

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time but the third person was totally it

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was the only experiment he had ever had

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participated in and the same things

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happen so you don't have to be an adept

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or be talented in order to exert these

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effects my name is nosy and even have a

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very simplistic question maybe because I

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of my ignorant of what you are

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describing

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so the person who's sitting on the chair

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there wouldn't be perfectly still maybe

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they're moving a little bit

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something well wondering if you if you

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what if you placed a dummy that was not

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even a person and would be perfectly

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still anything I placed under it that

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isn't a person doesn't have any effects

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on it I had a control with a cooking pot

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that produces heat and you know

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equivalent to what a person would

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produce and it doesn't have any effect

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hi I'm Liam gray I really appreciate

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your experiment and I'd like to try to

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replicate it I think I think you lied it

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to assist one thing I'm hoping to start

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asking all the speakers is if they could

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estimate the cost of replicating the

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experiment in your case it looks like

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the five dollars or the that part is

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very cheap but how about for your

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measurement apparatus and the well they

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it's probably the most expensive thing

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is the support I had to the sport

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consists of two tripods which and and

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then there's the camera but it's you

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know a $45 you know webcam works great

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and you need a computer but practically

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everybody has a computer and the

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software is not breathing actually it's

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a it's a professionally written software

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program so there is a cost associated

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with it but it's not very great and so

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dr. Hanson my name is John Reid it

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appears that your experiments confirms

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some of the theories and practices of

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ancient India because they had theory

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theorized that there was an hour of

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field around the body and that there

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were several layers of energy fields

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around the human body so that that goes

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to some you know in some way confirms

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that not to mention the torsional like

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the chakras exactly exactly and

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in ancient India and current practices

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they used that field to make diagnoses

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which dr. Bosman had mentioned earlier

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on and and I'm very interested in that

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myself because I'm a physician and like

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to work or talk more with you about it

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later